10 October 2012

7 SECONDS

If 7 SECONDS had toured the US as relentlessly as BLACK FLAG, then the face of punk and hardcore in this country would be much more attractive. Please discuss.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

well alot more POSITIVE for sure! dont know man,maybe the other side of the coin could have been a poppy approach to hardcore?! Wut u think?

Anonymous said...

If 7 Seconds had toured the US as relentlessly as Black Flag, punk and hardcore there would be some disgusting, ├╝ber positive mess, with bands never trying to evolve or go in new directions. It would be full of 40, 50 years olds wearing sportwear and claiming they will be "young till they die". I mean, come on, more attractive? Black Flag is to 7 Seconds what Raymond Pettibon is to Brian Walsby, just on a completely different level.

Anonymous said...

i'd say unfortunatly no!!
but since i'm not american and somewhat have no clue what the face of punk & HC in the USA really is, my opinion may not be valid....

quite totally off topic, but do you have the other bands from that gig?
http://escapeisterminal.blogspot.com/2012/07/d.html
Naked is more than welcome

Anonymous said...

On the upside, maybe the positive mess you refer to would have actually resulted in more cooperation, less violence, less senseless non-directional nihilism? 7 Seconds released New Wind in what...1987? Sure it wasn't a popular opinion at the time, but that record still rips. What was Flag doing in '86? Already thrown in the towel artistically and logistically? Even if you disagree with the 'artistically' side of that (and I while think Process is one of the boldest "punk" releases, I just think that Rollins era Flag post-Damaged is pretentious at best and drivel at worst), logistically the Flag road show by '85 was a shadow of the machine fronted by Dez and/or Morris, with little left to offer but testosterone and fuel for suburban adolescent aggression. The exportation of Southern California jocular machismo as a legacy pales in comparison to 7 Seconds' appeals for community and strength in the face of intense adversity from government, from society...and even from the thick necked small minded boys weaned on Black Flag.

Aylmer said...

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Thanks Kev! Stay positive!

Anonymous said...

Mark me down for the post above me.

Anonymous said...

If 7 SECONDS had toured the US as relentlessly as BLACK FLAG, then the face of punk and hardcore in this country would have lead to shorter haircuts. Hardcore dudes these days (especially in Chicago) still sportin' the Vietnam soldier haircuts of '68...and that sickens me. Just sayin

zhollows said...

Case in point: Kenosha, WI
Coming from a small factory city in the Midwest that continues to this day be stuck in the 80s with the likes of the Exploited and Black Flag, I have to say that 7Seconds might have changed things a bit if touring more extensively. However, that's me being optimistic. My pessimistic side tells me that Black Flag toured extensively because that's what people wanted to see and hear and that America is just a violent society, mainstream OR underground.

But then again, the more positive late 80s/90s political hardcore scene might not have blossomed in the US if not for something to react to like Black Flag. Either way, 7Seconds was waaaay better and waaay more of an influence on my early punk/hc beginnings. Which of course, not a lot of people agree with me on that!

Matt said...

did this demo ever come with cover artwork?
Never ever seen any, but would love to if exists.

same goes for there other demos too!

cheers

Anonymous said...

If punk was more attractive it would lose its true essence. I'm glad punk is not attractive. Only the hardcore find their way into punk and remain punk. Those for the fad fall in and out. But only the true remain. And I'm glad to be a part of that disgusting unntrractive punk community for 20 years of my life now. With that said, I don't think 7 Seconds would have made a difference. Althoughy we may consider 7 seconds more poppy, positive, to non-punks, it's still rebellious, non-conformist dirty devil filled music.